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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2007, 04:26:06 PM »

but one thing I don't get ... why do you must force yourself to believe in something that makes you scared enough to build a bunker?
All very true.  Going back to my previous point again though, how much different is that from a follower of another religion feeling they need to dedicate a huge amount of their life to the worship of a god, for fear of what might happen to them if they don't after they die?

although in this case, it's more likely that katie and tom try to kill each other at some point.  Tongue
The film makers fighting over the rights to do a movie based on their lives are no doubt praying for that Wink
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2007, 04:45:57 PM »

For my part, although I'm certainly not as well read as Lyx and Masked, from what I do know, I do believe there is alien life out there somewhere.  Whether it has advanced to a level where it could travel here, I'm still very much open to debate about though.

Only the most obsolete kind of scientists still believe that there is no life outside of earth. Nearly everyone agrees that it is highly probable that there is lots of "green slime" (non-complex life) out there. So, the majority of scientists do already asume, that there is lots of life out there.

A slightly lower, but still high number, of scientists also things that in *recent time* (millions of years), it seems probable, that complex life has emerged elsewhere. Where things become highly uncertain however is when you come near those questions, which matter for cross-species interstellar society. All those question are centered around a core question: it doesn't matter if a million years before there was someone able to directly or indirecly contact us. It also doesnt matter if in a million years someone will be able to do that. Someone needs to be there NOW for this to be relevant to us:

1. Does it survive long enough to even be able to open communication with us? There are all kinds of bottlenecks and "evolutionary tests" which a species needs to solve, just to survive for longer than the blink of an eye in an astronomical sense.

2. Did complex life emerge since a long time, or is this something new in this galaxy? If it is something rather new, then was there even enough time for their electromagnetic signals to reach us?

3. Point "1" and "2" in relation to direct contact: did they evolve to the point where they are able to travel between starsystems? Was there even enough time to evolve to this point?

4. Regardless of the previous points: how habitable is a galaxy anyways? Which conditions must be met, for complex life to emerge and generally be able to survive? A galaxy is not as life-friendly as most people think - the areas which are life-friendly are just a fraction of the galaxy as a whole.

Oh, and as for aliens attacking us - we are much more probable to start a war. Can someone name just one single species on THIS planet, which we do respect? I mean, come on: we do not even accept that many of them are conscious beings. Well, then why should this be different for species, which are even more foreign, than those on our own planet? Going further down this path: We do not even respect slightly different cultures of our own species on this planet. We are total xenophobes. The "enemy" which people are seing in aliens, is an enemy in their own head. Some alien lifeform which is able to travel between starsystems must have already solved this flawed logic, just to be able to develop an interstellar society..... and if they did already solve it, then they have also understood, that we are totally uninteresting to them. Just like i understood, that most humans are uninteresting to me.

The bottom line is: fix your goddamn own mess, instead of looking elsewhere. No one is going to save or punish you, except of yourself. There is a wonderful system called causality, which makes certain that we need no gods and other uber-masters, because we ourselves are already doing the job, simply by actions and their consequences. Besides, the aliens and gods dont give a damn about you, as long as you're such a fuckup.

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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2007, 10:03:28 PM »

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"green slime" (non-complex life) out there.
Does this have anything to do with the "Lime Jello gives off brainwaves" -theory?

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Going back to my previous point again though, how much different is that from a follower of another religion feeling they need to dedicate a huge amount of their life to the worship of a god, for fear of what might happen to them if they don't after they die?
That's not different at all. But then again, if fear is the thing motivating you then you should take a hard look on your beliefs.

I could say from a personal experience that I do dedicate a certain amount of my life to the worship of a God, but probably not as much as some religious people you might know. And fear has never been any kind of motivator for me. I don't spend my time with God because I'm afraid of Hell. Actually, I don't think hell is going to be much worse than the life on earth can be, but that's beside the point. Tongue
But yeah, I do find it funny when people who believe in the same God as I do worry about going to hell. I mean, it's not like you can live a "perfect sinless life" even if you tried to.

...what it comes down to is that even if I'm wrong, I do believe I've lived a good life.
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2007, 11:01:36 PM »

Oh, and as for aliens attacking us - we are much more probable to start a war.
Of course the irony with regards to this thread is that pretty much all of our wars are based around religion.

...what it comes down to is that even if I'm wrong, I do believe I've lived a good life.
You certainly aren't "wrong".  I'm not remotely religious but if it makes you feel better or benefits you in any way then it's most definitely "right" for you. Smiley

And I don't think too many people will have a problem with the morals that most religions suggest you should live your life by.  It's just a shame most are so hypocritical.
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